Come on people, cronus is a fictional character there’s not much use in breaking down the character to get a point across. it’s like ragging on someone for liking a horrible and demented villain who has done so much worse but no one says anything they’re just like aAYYY. just chill jfc
Isn’t that a rather dull and lazy standpoint?
Breaking complex characters down and examining their motives - especially when said motives aren’t exactly good or appealing - is interesting, it’s fun and helps people understand and appreciate the character more.
Dunno why anyone would leap to the 'B-but muh fictional character, STOP CARING' defense unless the content of said discussion made them feel uncomfortable. And given that this is tagged #Cronus only a short while after someone who appreciates and understands Cronus’s character better than virtually anyone else I’ve seen posted a lot of stuff about it, I’m fairly confident that’s the reason.
I’m still pissed at Equius for letting Gamzee kill Nepeta.
Um. Equius was dead first??
If he hadn’t let Gamzee kill him he could have prevented Nepeta from dying?? He was supposed to protect her, but he let her die.
OH. I GET IT NOW.
Equius was so hardcore in his belief of the Hemospectrum, he just couldn’t bring himself to attack someone “superior” to him.
But I agree, he messed up as badly as someone could. You can’t reason with a psycho clown.
Okay no. Gonna have to stop this train right here. Equius new confronting Gamzee was a bad idea, and super fucking dangerous thats why he left nepeta (The best fighter when she has a clear head) of the team behind to try and protect her just in case things went south. This is FAR from Equius’ fault, he wanted to avoid using his super strength and try and reason with some-one he considered an ally. He wanted to save a friend even if he was a inbeded in his hemoist attitude..THAT HE WAS FIXING BY THE WAY HENCE HIM CALLING KARKAT LEADER. Equius made many mistakes in the past yes. but he was slowing fucking fixing himself and his attitude unlike a certain purple blood. So you can’t even blame the hemospectrum for this. Gamzee is just a murderous asshat clown and you should be pissed at HIM not Equius.
Obviously Gamzee is at fault, but if Equius had killed him, he couldn’t have killed Nepeta. That’s a fact. (I also feel like I should mention that Equius is actually one of my favorite characters, and I’m just kind of angry that he could get over his weird submission fetish to protect his moirail.)
At first he didn’t even know it was gamzee.. he thought it was terezi because of the glasses. Then when gamzee revealed himself it was too late. Also HE TRIED TO PROTECT NEPETA if you played the flash game or watched it played. Equius left Nepeta in a hidden room and told her to stay for her safety. Saying “if he could get over his weird feitsh” is just like saying “if gamzee could just calm the hell down” pointless because its part of who they are.
I love how everyone forgets that Gamzee’s caste canonically have mind-controlling powers when it comes to the issue of Equius failing to kill him. Seriously, the guy is FAR from perfect but trying to make him 110% responsible for being killed by a guy with MIND-CONTROLLING POWERS is the definition of bitter stupidity.
Hussie literally said that it was ENTIRELY possible that Gamzee used his powers to A) enhance Karkat’s panic to the point of making him useless, B) make Terezi believe that Vriska was the culprit in spite of all the evidence otherwise and C) to make Equius too afraid of going against the spectrum to act.
But nah it’s all Equius’s fault, poor sweet fragile helpless sweet sweet Nepeta needed a big strong guy like him to purrtect her and he let her down :(((((((((((((((
Why can’t parpers use NSFW tags correctly?
As in, this for example. Do keep in mind everything I’m using as examples are all things I’ve actually seen on parp.
If a troll wants to RP a NSFW thing, they may use “InHeat!*troll*” Erm, no. Trolls aren’t animals. They don’t go into heat. So no.
If a human wants to RP NSFW, they may use “InHeat!Jade”. WHAT. The person RPing IS a human! They should know humans don’t do into heat! Like, what the FuccuF, guys?
Lastly, you might be thinking if an animal wanted to RP nsfw, you’d think they would use “InHeat!”, right? Apparently not. Apparently, according to parp, animals don’t go into heat. They just become horny (Lookin’ at you, Horny!Becquerel. Lookin’ at you).
Parpers, please correctly use the right tags for the right species. Thank.
Trolls in heat is stupid as shit and sorta dubcon territory too, not to mention a lazy as hell way of writing. ‘I want PWP so I’ll make my character impossibly horny and too stupid to just masturbate, I’m a genius!’
But no, horny animals aren’t necessarily in heat either, because it refers to the estrous cycle in females. Bec’s a boy dog. ‘Horny!Becquerel’ is accurate, whereas ‘InHeat!Becquerel’ wouldn’t be. Sporting a red rocket does not an in-heat animal make.
This is one of the worst posts I have ever made.
ppl are always like “no game is perfect you can’t please EVERYbody” but when was the last time you heard a motherfucker complain about portal
Didn’t /v/ vote Portal 2 as their least-hated game of the year and then complain about it winning the place of least-hated game of the year
Does that count
okay but trolls of differing castes aren’t capable of inbreeding with the term “inbreeding” for the purposes of this discussion equaling individual gestation, i.e. pregnancy and childbirth
all naturally “borne” trolls are related in a similar way that all naturally born humans are related— that is, distantly. trolls have the additional characteristic of being spat out from the same bearer but since their gestation is inside eggs that is a COMPLETELY different biological gestation-reproduction cycle that needs to be examined— in comparability with egg-borne creatures that we have and know of on earth
that aside, since incest isn’t really a “thing” to trolls the term “incestuous slurry” while a p great term is probably intended more for the human audience of the comic than the trolls it is describing
you’re right hussie isn’t a biologist and probably made shit up but the thing is that the reproduction through the mother grub is still essential to troll reproductive biology
blood colors cant and dont mix because as we know from young handmaid’s arc trolls DO breathe but what we don’t know
now in biochemistry you would learn that what gives blood its red color has to do with the chemicals that blood carries to bind oxygen (namely iron) and that there is a breed of octopus that has blue blood because of the binding agent (which is copper instead of iron, and helps it to survive below freezing temperatures)
now the common definition of a species is “a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding”
if trolls of varying blood types use different binding agents to carry oxygen in their blood then it stands to reason that they are of different species and thus not capable of interbreeding with each other, which leads to the incestuous slurry which keeps genes to some degree isolated
the only genes that could truly mix in the slurry would be genes from trolls that are the same caste
which probably leads to the “clone” type feel of many ancestor-descendant pairs, because some genes probably never even split and merged
which means that trolls could possibly donate 23-chromosome gametes split by meiosis OR some kind of full 46-chromosome mitosis-sex cell foreign species sexual reproduction thing which is also really cool
hell maybe it’s a mix and then you could get into the “emotion” part of the process— how do strong pairs yield more potent offspring? maybe strong pairs are more “fit” (likely to survive and reproduce) so when you are in a strong pair you put out “better” genetic material (the type of emotion and sex triggers which reproductive cells/gametes are released)— stronger possible troll babies that are basically clones instead of half-cell gametes
so then you could posit that “clone” babies have a better chance of surviving slurry-wise and rising to the top so to speak
idk fictional biology is super cool but basically that’s what i was saying.
In biochemistry I HAVE learned that what gives blood its red colour is iron, thanks. Pretty sure I learned that when I was 13 and in science class where kids would pick their scabs so we could look at a drop of blood under the microscope while our teacher told us cool facts about what was in it. I know that there are multiple animals out there with different blood colours (such as a turquoise-blooded tree-frog). I’m also aware that trolls are aliens and insect-based and thus the example of a yellow-blooded* ladybug or the like would probably be closer to them. Still not entirely sure on the relevance of it to a heavily fantasy-based webcomic written by a guy who (among other things) admits to have made up the entire hemospectrum idea and everything it entails on the fly.
I’m pretty sure that it hasn’t been stated that it’s even the binding-agent specifically in troll blood that causes the colouration for them. They’re aliens. Space aliens. I’m pretty sure that they wouldn’t necessarily abide by Earth fauna standards in many cases.
While I do agree that alien biology is pretty cool, given that A) Homestuck is written by a guy who actively seems to enjoy giving very little information about troll reproduction and B) that we have no idea how big or small the actual troll gene-pool is and how that would effect the levels of incest going on and C) they’re space aliens with friggin lazer beam powers among other things, that we can’t really make ANY claims about it other than what’s been outlined in the comic.
Especially when we’re making claims that the entire trollian race is actually a series of closely-related but non-interchangeable races, even though the comic has never said anything of the sort. Sure, they’re different from each other, but I’m pretty sure the hemospectrum is meant to evoke different conditions/blood types than different species entirely.
*Ladybugs and other insects don’t have blood the same as other animals do anyway - it’s dramatically different in many aspects, with a couple of major ones being that it doesn’t contain insulin and in the case of insects it’s not even used for oxygen transport, even though insects obviously breathe air as do trolls.
im not a biology or taxonomy expert but you know trolls of different blood types were never capable of inbreeding - aka the mother grub is not an optional accessory to reproduction- the slurry process is necessary and essential
trolls of different blood types process different chemicals in blood at different rates and other sciency stuff but basically the way their blood works has to be incompatible
effectually, trolls of different blood castes are not even the same species or probably even genus
as such: incapable of interbreeding
alternia has/had twelve “dominant” (solely biological, not taking anthropology or sociology into account) sentient species and that is kind of amazing
But the comic states that A) trolls ARE capable of inbreeding and it’s the norm for them, (All naturally-born trolls are related to a degree, hence the term ‘incestuous slurry’ being used) as well as says that “In the slurry, more dominant genes rise to the fore, while the more recessive find less representation in the brood. Especially strong matesprit and kismesis pairings yield more dominant genetic material. The more powerful the complement or potent the rivalry, the more dominant the genes.”
So in conclusion:
Trolls are gross and inbred, which probably explains the prevalence of mutations, many of which are terrible - it’s been stated that sickly wigglers are regularly culled, the reason they’re badly-formed in the first place is probably due to that.
Stronger unions produce more dominant genes, which presumably means that a particularly powerful union would produce a troll that had notable characteristics of both parents.
Hussie probably isn’t an expert in biology himself and made shit up as he went along. Not that it really matters since the trolls are clones of themselves created by ectobiology anyway, and thus probably have minimal (if any) chance of incest occurring. And even if it did they’re trolls and wouldn’t care.